I honestly think it similar to the french election a while back: the population is trying to send a message more than anything else.
Misc. European politics
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Far right becomes kingmaker in France following Michel Barnier nomination
The survival of France’s next government depends on Marine Le Pen’s indulgence.
Ah yes, coalitions. The parliamentary system's answer to the Electoral College. Congratulations, you won but not by enough and now you have to work with people you hate to decide who actually gets to be in charge. Or, you won but not by enough and you have no one who wants to work with you so now the bad people who are willing to team up can overrule you.
It's a system with built in compromise and internal checks by default. You work with the people whom are ENOUGH like you to cooperate, but not enough like you that they didn't want to form their own political ideology. You could see it up here in canada till sighn was bullied by poilievre into breaking it early in an attempt to force an election.
Like every other political system: it works okay until various parties become so extremized that they can only be dictators and not, you know, legislators.
Like every other political system: it works okay until various parties become so extremized that they can only be dictators and not, you know, legislators.
I honestly would rather keep our system than deal with that nonsense. We sorta have coalitions too. They just lump together under one party or the other before we vote. It looks like we have fewer choices but I'm not convinced the outcome is all that different.
I have never thought the grass looked all that greener on the other side. Sure, maybe it's nice to vote for a party more closely aligned with your views instead of settling for the least crappy of two broadparties, but it's probably not going to get a majority of the vote (absolutely won't, depending on the country) and will have to stitch itself together in a political Frankenstein's monster to form a government no one actually voted for.
Did you vote for the mainstream liberal party in Germany? Okay, enjoy your alliance with the Greens and quasi-libertarians. The Greens will force you to kill nuclear power out of irrational eco-faith so you're more dependent on Russian energy and the libertarians won't bend on budget so you can't really fund any of your big goals you campaigned on.
Did you vote for the mainstream liberal party in Germany? Okay, enjoy your alliance with the Greens and quasi-libertarians. The Greens will force you to kill nuclear power out of irrational eco-faith so you're more dependent on Russian energy and the libertarians won't bend on budget so you can't really fund any of your big goals you campaigned on.
Errr, France is more the US model, to be honest. As in absolutely averse to coalitions. Prior to the rise of Macron, France had a centre-left bloc made up of the Socialist Party and allies, and a centre-right bloc of the Gaullists/Republicans and allies. However both those major parties have since sunk in popularity (although the Socialist Party is a key part of the New Popular Front). But think of the pre-Macron setup as roughly analogous to the Democrats and Republicans, and you’re sort of there.
They're doing a by-election in a montreal riding soon, couple of days. Do you know how many potentials are on the ballot?
91.
Second time in a year they set a record for candidates.
A multiparty system DOES work... when the parties aren't all ******* shit. I have a plethora of choice in every election, but I still don't have a choice, capiche? The idea is: find your closest ideology and roll with it. The reality is parties aren't shades of gray, and generally so seperated in terms of ideology that what you like will always be outweighed by what you don't.
At least, in canada. Despite having choice; the ball gets punted between the same two assholes, and everyone else doesn't get a chance, because they've never had the chance to prove themselves, and because they can't win elections, they don't get the money to win elections... creating a spiral of "unproven jerk will always get passed over for jerk we know".
I still believe in it, but... getting harder every cycle.
91.
Second time in a year they set a record for candidates.
A multiparty system DOES work... when the parties aren't all ******* shit. I have a plethora of choice in every election, but I still don't have a choice, capiche? The idea is: find your closest ideology and roll with it. The reality is parties aren't shades of gray, and generally so seperated in terms of ideology that what you like will always be outweighed by what you don't.
At least, in canada. Despite having choice; the ball gets punted between the same two assholes, and everyone else doesn't get a chance, because they've never had the chance to prove themselves, and because they can't win elections, they don't get the money to win elections... creating a spiral of "unproven jerk will always get passed over for jerk we know".
I still believe in it, but... getting harder every cycle.